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<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 19:01:58 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from WCP</title>
<description><![CDATA[Commissions. No such thing if you land a Federal Government Contract. Try explaining commissions to the Treasury Department. In fact, last time I looked, commissions (undeclared ones) where illegal. That includes, so called, "loyalty discounts from suppliers".<br/>A single Tax Audit will bring all the players, as innocent as they may feel they are, into a room full of men and women with wigs. So, if you have been involved with any company, on either side of the transaction, over the last twenty years where it might seem like you or the other side actually got some benefit, where your client could say to his/her honour -"I was not aware of this arrangement"; you should be getting sweaty palms right now.]]></description>
<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 19:01:58 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from David Addison</title>
<description><![CDATA[Totally agree with the urgent need for client education on the realistic costs of providing services. The collection of research data to substantiate our industry value has taken a long time to initiate and will not be of benefit until at the earliest 2011. To answer Brad's initial question I believe there may be a trend to fees plus reliance on commissions as the competition 'big event hunters' compete at low margins. Again I agree with Ray that event companies / PCO's should be appointed on competency and not price.]]></description>
<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:05:53 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from bfoster</title>
<description><![CDATA[From one of our readers - <br/><br/>Event Planners operates all over Australia and has considerable experience with competitive tendering for (and hopefully winning) meeting and event business. Our philosophy has always been to be open and upfront about our management fees and charges, do a good job and be rewarded accordingly. <br/><br/>But the market has changed for the worst - perhaps it became more evident during the global financial crisis but too many potential clients simply assumed (usually on the advice of their local convention bureau or centre - but that is another story) that all PCO’s did much the same thing and in the absence of any other benchmarks (which this industry badly needs) price became the leading decision making factor. Today 99% of PCO’s are appointed on price, not competencies.<br/><br/>Several years ago I researched and wrote an article on PCO fees and found that at that time there were a dozen or more fee systems in common use. They ranged from 100% fee models to 100% commission (or illicit mark-ups, kick backs etc). But I could not “analytically or morally” find fault with any of the models. Let’s say PCO “A” charges $50,000 in fees and PCO “B” makes $50,000 in commissions – the impact on the client’s budget is the same. In some respects PCO “B” may be taking a larger risk by not having the comfort of a fixed fee but clients more than ever are looking to share risk. <br/><br/>The problem however with PCO “B” is that the client does not know whether they will end up paying more than the fixed fee of PCO “A”. I tend to think of this as the proverbial line in the sand – on one side is what it good for the client and on the other what is good for the PCO. It is clear to me that asking the fox to guard the chickens can only lead to tears – for the chickens. Interestingly a number of larger PCO’s have become very adept as foxes.<br/><br/>I have never met a PCO who did not receive some commissions. Be it declared commissions like hotel bookings or benefits from aggregating their client’s purchases (bulk discounts) or simple loyalty programs with suppliers – it happens so let’s get over that old wives tale and focus on services, risk, outcomes and win-wins.<br/><br/>The cure to this is client education. We desperately need benchmarks that make it easier for the client to assess the risk, rewards and returns etc. A simple estimate of “person hours” required to manage the event multiplied by the PCO’s hourly rate would be far more effective than how the fee is charged. If PCO “A” quotes 500 hours and PCO “B” quotes 300 hours any savvy client will investigate why there is such a difference (i.e. look at the services offered) and decide if they need a premium service or a simple secretariat.<br/><br/>Ray Shaw AMM, AFMEA, FPRIA, AJA, B.Bus Com.<br/>Chairman<br/>Event Planners Australia]]></description>
<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:57:44 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from bfoster</title>
<description><![CDATA[NZ events, perhaps surprisingly we at mice.net magazine received an enquiry about when we last ran a story on how PCOs charge their clients. The surprising part is that the enquiry came from a company working in part in the capacity of a PCO. Perhaps they were billing one way and were thinking about changing? I don't know the answer to that. Others have expressed that there are a number of ways to charge clients.<br/><br/>What, for example, happens when an exhibition is part of a conference you are organising and the PCO has the responsibility of securing sponsors, exhibitors, etc. Would this be a management fee project as well? Or does the PCO charge a percentage of the sponsorship secured? A $200,000 sponsor could garner a commission of 10% = $20,000. I am just wondering whether there are standard practices or everybody does their own thing...]]></description>
<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 08:33:45 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from NZEVENTS</title>
<description><![CDATA[An honest fee is the best policy in all instances. Pocketing commissions and overrides will come back to bite you in the proverbial if the practice has not been disclosed to the client especially when they ask the hotel for a copy of the bill (which they are entitled to do). By calculating the commissions, overrides and and gst rebates (internationally where applicable) into your proposal and showing them as such you will be able to present an open book which all clients appreciate. Nobody minds paying an honest fee for honest work and consider the rewards! Referrals, repeat business, extended scope of work etc ....<br/><br/>I was recently billed a cancellation fee for a conference I was attending and took exception to this given it was an automated software invoice where no loss was accounted for my unattendance.  It would be scandalous of me to charge my client such a fee for my time in processing such a fee when my client is already paying me an honest management fee. It is their absolute right to change or cancel that is what they pay me for and it is understood that they will pay for any loss where we are billed by our suppliers for unused services and other contractual thingy-me-bobs. Absurd to add salt to the wound by charging additional fees .....<br/><br/>Planners need to get over that people have to cancel or change their minds. Charging scandalous fees is disreputable if you are already charging a management fee - not accounting for supplier contracts of course.<br/><br/>Airlines are an insurmountable exception because of the random fees they inflict upon us - hmmmmmph - and our clients suffer.<br/><br/>Always remain open, honest and fair  - I'm surprised this issue has been raised ... are there other ways to bill clients?]]></description>
<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:58:24 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from Stephanie</title>
<description><![CDATA[I agree with transparency and would like to add integrity as a key when working with clients.<br/><br/>With regards to billing whilst I prefer to charge a service fee we need to be flexible as some clients prefer all inclusive pricing, perhaps because it is easier to manage within their own back end systems or to gain approval.]]></description>
<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:59:00 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from Caroline</title>
<description><![CDATA[PCOs should be transparent in their billing. My company lays it on the line from the first quotation as to exactly our management fee charges, delegate registration charges and any other charges the client will incur directly from us. This practice of adding on charges to supplier bills should be outlawed. It only makes our industry look suspicious from the client's point of view.]]></description>
<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 15:51:51 GMT</pubDate>
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<title>Message from bfoster</title>
<description><![CDATA[How are professional conference organisers billing their clients? In recent years there has been much debate about some PCOs moving to a fee for service over commissions. Is there a standard system now or a variety of practices? Or are clients (and events) billed differently on a case by case basis?]]></description>
<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 12:35:11 GMT</pubDate>
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