A selection of general topics for those working in the business events industry in Australia and abroad
1/04/2010 1:58:17 PM
Sonya Petkovska
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Need some advice or comment on Facebook from you gurus.
Here is my dilemma. I’m on FACEBOOK but only use it to correspond/network with friends/family oversees. I have things such as photo’s of my kids and family, conversations with relatives and friends that don’t work within my industry (or if they do they are very good friends that don’t really want to discuss work issues). I’m also registered under my married name (I use my maiden name for work purposes). I find that I get a lot of invitations to;
- Become a friend of MCVB
- Be a fan of the Royal Easter Show
- Become a fan of Weddings at Swiss Grand
The list goes on and I’ve no doubt that I’ll continue to get these invites. Now I’m keen to support my industry but I find myself in a situation whereby I dont want to give my personal details (and I’m well aware that I can take out what I dont want people to see).
What do you suggest I do? Set up a Facebook account for only industry (nothing private/personal....just me)? What’s the point of doing that? Do I not bother because why would I become a fan/friend? What’s the purpose when I can read what they are doing in their e-newsletters/press releases. What would the value be to ‘me’ to participate? Is everyone just doing this for the sake of being involved? Do people think that if they dont follow the pack they get lost? Is it necessary? And who has time to do this? I’ve just spent 30 minutes typing this instead of doing my work (sorry Helen Batt-Rawden). Are we wasting time on Social Networking? Is our work suffering? Is this a topic that we need to seriously cover in mice.net? Melanietk you recently participated in our Top 5 feature and I must say that I enjoy reading your comments. How much of your day gets spent on Social Networking?
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17/03/2010 10:13:33 AM
melanietk
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hahah yeah, my normal profile pic wasn't of good enough quality.
You know what? After all that, I have no website. I find that what counts to me, right now, in terms of personal branding, are those things associated with melanietk, be it blog, linkedin profile, twitter account etc, as they are the means by which I engage with people. I'm not a 'trading business, or tracking down/enticing new clients or jobs at this point in time, and those other mediums allow me to get across any message that a website would do for me, so while it would be nice to have something like that all in one place, it's a 'future project'. Then again I'm so small fry why add another website to the mix of those already out there?
So through this debate, I'm noticing a pattern emerge. Big companies or high profile event businesses could utilise social media platforms for their events (in the myriad of ways already described), but would not necessarily be effective for self promotion. On the flip side, venues, smaller businesses or independent service providers would gain great benefit from social media in terms of being noticed and promoting products or specials, but may have little impact using them at events themselves (at least not for mass distribution).
Therefore, any 'impact' made is through understanding what works best for them and using it to their best advantage, but there's not a 'one size fits all' strategy for everyone.
Oooohh I can't wait to do an analysis on our social media strategy for our 2010 series of event vs the complete lack of one in 2009. Already we've noticed some amazing changes and opportunities, but details of that will come later (and probably blogged, when the NDS is lifted).
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15/03/2010 4:25:05 PM
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I find it a little strange that starr PR are telling us on the micenet mag about social media, yet there are no links from their web site to their own social media sites?????? and when you google you can't find their twitter account or facebook account
Mecure sydney has not may fans/followers.
eventconnect has 230 followers on twitter
ummmmm are these people the best people to tell us about social media? and getting it to work for our business, I know kids entertainers who have more fans and followers
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15/03/2010 4:17:06 PM
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aaaaaaaaah
Melanie now I put 2 and 2 togeather
Your micenet magazine photo is different from your linkedin photo you have cut your hair.......
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13/03/2010 1:27:08 AM
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Perhaps that the social media could help the smaller company.
We are bombarded with big company advertisements everywhere we go- TV, Radio, print ads walking down the street- it gets to the point where we tune it out, so when we see it on facebook for example- we tune that out as well,
where as the smaller companies that do not apeear everywhere can standout by the simple fact that you don't see or hear them every day of our lives.
melanietk
I like your comments on "When it came time for them to promote their product, it felt like a friend asking a favour than a business asking for free advertising. "
I am a student of Joel Bauer (the Retired USA Infotainer) and while I do not agree with all his statements and lessons, He does make a big point of turning customers into raving fans who do the marketing for you (which do agree with).
If customers buy into you as a human- they are more likely to buy into whatever you are selling- and customers buy from people they like. It is possible that once a company reaches a large size- they become somewhat despised for their success and possibly their treatment of the small companies- we have all heard of westfields shutting down and putting out of business smaller companies, so we ignor their marketing plea's.
It might be possible if a small "no name brand" used the "all I want is a no name voucher" style promotion and get better results on account that you don't see their promotions every other second.
Now trying to relate that article back to the events industry, Perhaps all those huge venues that appear at every single trade show year in and year out, and who also appear in each events magazine may not get the best results from social media, but perhaps the smaller venue can stand out, perhaps social media is the domaine of the small business, Marketing events such as trade show via social media may not be a problem, but I would assume that you would be just topping up the visitor lists, with industry specific trade shows you would hope that the organisers already have a large database.
Mecure Sydney only has 428 followers http://twitter.com/Mercuresydney (from memory they were in the micenet magazine or I could be mistaken) and only 116 fans on facebook- I am sorry to say Why are they giving us advice as an expert in an industry magazine?
walk the walk and talk the talk
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12/03/2010 2:30:43 PM
melanietk
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Certainly some cautionary tales. That Westfield Facebook thing was infuriating! Makes a good point of having to have a pretty thorough understanding of the theory and application of social media as part of a marketing strategy, rather than throwing random products against the wall and see if they stick... and not catch fire in the process.
In a pleasant reversal, a small alternative clothing company in Australia recently ran a Facebook promotion by offering a relatively small gift voucher for their 4000th fan and the person that recommended them. It was a non invasive but simple promotion, and certainly gained them the support of people who might not have otherwise known about their business or products. What was appealing was that this business constantly engaged with its audience/fans, not only updating on their business but asking opinions, responding to feedback and promoting other peoples events (in much the same way most successful Twitter accounts function). When it came time for them to promote their product, it felt like a friend asking a favour than a business asking for free advertising.
I mention this in relation to business events, because as part of their engagement with their fans in such a manner, they actually went on to become a retail exhibitor at one of my upcoming events. I can't wait to meet them personally and browse their products for myself.
I had the honour of having some of my social media research published in the latest MICEnet magazine, and even now, after continuing to see methodologies, theories and practice evolve daily, I'm confident I got the basics right (so too did the other contributors - a great well rounded Top 5 feature). I've attended seminars and lectures on social media (and met some great Brisbane event professionals along the way!) and am attending another on personal branding in a fortnight, about which I'm very excited.
When someone I've never met comes up to me and says 'hey! You're melanietk! How's your event going?' I know I'm doing something right.
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12/03/2010 12:56:17 PM
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Here is an alternative take on Social Media and Marketing - interesting read
http://www.marketingmag.com.au/blogs/view/why-social-media-and-marketing-don-t-mix-1986
makes you think- which is what I like
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1/03/2010 4:26:16 PM
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Below is the the video of the Twitter Reader with a few additional tools to make event organisers jobs easier and making searching easier
you will have instant access to the events industry Media's twitter, and I am always looking for more, so if you know of other twitters out there- like AIME expo, or Meetings & Events Association twitter- then post it here and I will add it.
So That I play fair- I will post the download link only if Micenet moderators give me permission, otherwise you can view the video as an example of what is available out there.
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26/01/2010 11:51:19 AM
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I am not saying it is all up to you
Being a forum it would be nice if people actually posted, as I am sure there are people out there who know a little.
Oh By the way this statement is directed at the owners:
This is one reason for the failure of this forum is that it is anonymous. You tried this years ago and it lasted about 3 months.
In essence this forum is a social media platform in it's core and this is one of the biggest problems with social media is that if the system is set up and is anonymous I don't believe that anonymous is the way to go and I said this before in a previous post, because anyone who is really serious about communicating doesn't hide who they are.
A fourm set up for the events industry at no cost to the users and no one posts- social media in events has along way to go (In Australia anyway)
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25/01/2010 11:40:25 PM
melanietk
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No it really doesn't, because this is not the place for such tutorials. What I, and others, can do is to offer resources where people like yourself can make your own decisions about how they would be implimented.
It is no good giving answers if people don't understand the question. I had to do my own research and experience the platforms and technology for myself, before the 'how-to' guides made sense. You yourself said that it isn't the technology that detracts from the value that can be gained, but rather not understanding how it should be used effectively.
As I said many times before, I will continue to offer links to articles and research that I found, or am finding useful in further understanding the impact of social media, and how to use it to enhance the delivery of events.
Direct link to a 60page eBook (pdf) that explains the concept and execution of 'backchannel' resources in very easy to understand terminology, and perfect for beginners in the medium.
Another eBook that really gets to the bottom of how social media is changing the face of the event industry in 2010, compiled by 7 Event experts from around the world.
A collection of articles by Jeff Hurt on Twittering at events, another giving a great analogy in the hopes of relating just what social media is and how it can be translated in to the virtual world, and finally a list of different ways attendees can connect and network prior and during your events.
Mike McCurry's entire site is dedicated to hybrid and virtual events, understanding technology, and how it relates to event professionals and attendees. He is a 30 year veteran of the events industry and respected speaker and author.
When I have more time to dedicate to tracking down information I will add links regarding the topics of LinkedIn, Facebook, and other SM tools, but for now, I have a meeting with the QLD Governor at the Australia Day Ceremony to prepare for.
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25/01/2010 12:15:51 PM
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I am not kidding- sorry it needs to be done, because most people have no idea how SM can be used, and to be honest I don't even fully know
OK detailed out- but a quick generalise overview would be helpful
Twitter
pre show such as marketing- getting the word out
During the show- no idea
and post show- questions afterwards
next
Youtube
Pre show- promo video
at show- no idea
post show- highlights, filmed presentations etc
next
face book
Pre show yadaydaydya
that is pretty easy.
are we the only two people that post?
perhaps we could get a rename of the forum to Sydney Magician/melanietk or melanietk/sydney magician (we post more than the forum owners which is a little strange considering they are a media company- well it's strange to me)
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25/01/2010 10:29:32 AM
melanietk
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Your debate was that technology negates the human connection, to which I disagreed and responded. The comment regarding the speaker + participants is discussed often, and answered a hundred times already elsewhere on the web, so I shan't go in to detailed explanation here.
What I will agree with is that it needs to be used correctly and as I have said from the beginning education, training and trial-by-error are the only ways for Social Media to make a positive impact and successful integration in to the business events industry. That goes with anything new, technology or no.
As for listing all the ways and means - You're kidding, right? You may as well ask all the ways in which a computer can be used in day to day business. The options are endless and in most cases, as with anything new, still being discovered, and there are people much more knowledgeable than I who are already talking about and teaching on the subject.
As I mentioned I would be happy to link to resources I consider useful in this respect, but ultimately it is up to the individual as to what they want to know, learn, discover and evaluate as being useful from their perspective as a supplier or event organiser.
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25/01/2010 9:56:20 AM
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Trackers are the best thing sliced bread. How much time would you (or someone you're paying minimum wage to) have wasted on manually entering the names and details (which are often times limited) on the 500 business cards you've collected (if registered visitors have them at all), that have not given you a sense of what level of interest the lead had in the first place?
Trackers in and of themselves are useful- however they are not used correctly- most people scan a name badge and maby add a comment and in my book that is not a lead, if this is all your going to do- then why exhibit in the first place- you can get a list of contact details much cheaper by going to a mailing list broker.
Pen and paper approach (low tech) works for me and is why I have testimonials on my site saying I increase lead generation by 500% - not even a PR firm increases leads by that much on the trade show floor.
I do use a PA systm on the trade show floor- however not to be really loud- but so I can do my presentations all day without shouting and losing my voice..
Anyway- back to social media, with regards to"
How can a room of 500 people staring at a stage be a 'human connection' when real-time backchannel conversations are allowing those 500 people to interact with not only the speaker, but with the people sitting 5 rows ahead of them, or with those who aren't in the room (or even the event itself), but want to know the seminar content anyway?
Are these people using social media during the presentation? or afterwards to chat about it.- Afterwards is good, during the presentation is interesting, but imagine somehow that all attendies were somehow connected to twitter via phone, and the speaker asks a question and gets 500 responses- he would not be able to answer all these on stage, and even if he could answer 22 of them- thats 478 people who didn't get answered.
what I would like to know is (and we might have to start a seperate topic) is a list of the Social media out there and the way it could be used to help an event- with detailed responses
such as Twitter can be used
Pre event...........
At event............
Post event.........
Face Book can be used
Pre event.........
and so on and so on,
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24/01/2010 12:52:21 PM
melanietk
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I'll see your Naisbit and raise you a link to MPI magazines recent post on this very topic (evolution of technology). If I could link directly to paper books, I would.
I disagree about 'technology' (which is only a tool) and social media (a way to use those tools) dehumanising events. Again and again the international business event sector is proving that the use of technology and social media platforms for and at events are creating communities, connecting people, and pulling us away from the 'talking head', limited engagement seminar or lecture.
How can a room of 500 people staring at a stage be a 'human connection' when real-time backchannel conversations are allowing those 500 people to interact with not only the speaker, but with the people sitting 5 rows ahead of them, or with those who aren't in the room (or even the event itself), but want to know the seminar content anyway?
Trackers are the best thing sliced bread. How much time would you (or someone you're paying minimum wage to) have wasted on manually entering the names and details (which are often times limited) on the 500 business cards you've collected (if registered visitors have them at all), that have not given you a sense of what level of interest the lead had in the first place?
It's not laziness - it's embracing innovation, utilising time saving tools so you can focus on what really matters - connecting with quality leads, colleagues, associates and other professionals. There will never be anything as good as F2F and I will always support the human factor, but you need to attract people in order to make that first engagement. Whether that is through a well constructed visual presentation on a plasma screen that really showcases the work and delivery of your services (anyone can talk up anything, but people want examples), or using twitter, Facebook or some other medium to announce something amazing happening at your booth.
I agree that 'Live' vs 'Televised' is a no brainer, but if you could announce to the 500 people on the tradeshow floor that you will be conducting a live, free, magic show at your booth in half an hour, you'll be attracting an audience that is made up of more people than those who just happened to be passing at the right time. And don't forget, you're talking as an individual supplier. Event organisers have hundred of exhibitors and dozens of sessions they need to 'announce' and encourage people to attend or engage with. Short of using the (droning and often distracting) PA system (Why don't you just use a megaphone?), or hoping that people are reading their conference programs with religious fervour, you have to use the tools your attendees are using.
It may be in the early stages right now, and thus the impact of utilising them in this manner may be limited, but the times are changing and conference/event organisers need to go to where the people are - and the people are on social media. Eventually, they'll rely on what they read on twitter or have had their friends or network connections recommend rather than what they are being force fed through advertising, glossy images or sponsor branding. Already you and some others have proven a distrust of a sponsor and their involvement in an event and thus viability as a stand alone service/product/brand. What about letting that sponsor prove themselves to you (royal you, not you specifically)?
The first booth I would visit at a trade show? Someone who has taken the time to engage with me prior to the show, given me hints at what I will see, maybe offered an early or 'mates rate' deal, and has encourage me to visit so we can 'meet in person', rather than being faced with someone I don't know, and a product I have to learn from scratch from a few brochures and wall posters. They know who I am, what I want, and what I'm hoping to learn before the exhibition has even opened. The exact same mentality would apply to a speaker. In fact, I would go so far as it would apply to the entire event or conference itself.
That isn't laziness, that is someone reaching out to me and making an effort to meet 'my' needs.
I highly recommend everyone watches this short YouTube video: "Is social media a fad? This will blow you away" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIFYPQjYhv8and while as with anything statistics are questionable or probably biased or location specific (its not even event specific), it will still make you sit back and think.
Once you've seen that, read this exhibitor feedback report by respected Tradeshow & Conference Creative Director Erik Lukazewski of Echelon Design.
My posts in the beginning of this thread showed my own reluctance and fears about understanding social media and its impact on events. Since then I made the conscious effort to research and engage with worldwide industry professionals and let me tell you, I am a convert. I encourage others to do a little research themselves, if they have the time... I would even be happy to save everyone the hassle of finding the 'good stuff' and post educational and opinion links here, if it helps.
For anyone in the events industry who is on, or wants to try Twitter, search for the hashtag #eventprofs and you will be amazed at the quality and quantity of content out there, and the vibrant international community of event professionals who are engaging, informing, sharing and educating.
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23/01/2010 4:53:21 PM
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I think John Naisbit got it right in his book "megatrends" High Tech high touch
The more technology plays a part in our life, and the more we rely on High Tech solutions for our life
the more we value personalised expressions
The more High tech our world is, the more we will respond to high touch experiences.
If events become fully technology based, the more we will respond to those events that personalise our experience, and treat us not as a web statistic, but more as a person, and granted- Technology does allow all to have a voice, but you do lose the human component to an event- I guess as a magician I have a different prespective- there is a huge difference between seeing a Magician live and seeing a magician on TV.
I remember years ago when my Dad played grass hockey on real grass, when the astro turf came out he said it made good hockey players out of bad ones, and made us more lazy when playing because we didn't really have to focus as much when we had control of the ball. (real grass has bumps and you had to keep your eye on the ball) Events are similar (I also guess it is the argument of photographers- digital v's real film, but thats for the photographers forum.
I think there are many events today that over rely on technology, I am not sure if it because the event organiser is lazy, sometimes it is, lazyness, sometimes they run out of original ideas and sometimes they are copying people (yes copying people does happen) But I see it big time on the trade show floor- to the point where companies spend a fortune on technology which actually distances the company from the potential customer, and this is not what you want to do at your event.
From a trade show perspective companies spend money on getting lead trackers, Plasma screen demo's, Flashing lights - all of which actually distract and distance yourself from the most powerful thing you can do at a trade show which is 2 humans connecting and communicating. most companies don't use their technology correctly. When it comes to SM It really needs to be done correctly, if it used for the sake of using it- then it is wasted- I must admit I am bumbling around with this post. I am trying to figure out the right words to use, I think if a social media platform comes out to run events- then many more people will use it, and become lazy in creating events that will really truly connect people- it will make good event organisers out of the not so good- but events need great event organisers. I think SM will work if it does not remove the human element to the event and we do not over rely on it- look what happened to email- there is so much junk email out there- there is also alot of junk SM out there.
anyway- it is way to hot to sit in front of the computer on Saturday as I type- and perhaps the heat has made me a little more weird than usual- I'm getting a beer, and I'll come back on Monday to see all the Hate repsonses moohoohahaha.
on second thought - Cold Shower- then beer and when the cool changes happens a scotch and coke mmmmmmmmmm
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21/01/2010 8:32:34 AM
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I'm going to make a confession. I've become a major fan of an event & social media writer by the name of Jeff Hurt.
He first came to my attention when I was witnessing the social media explosion surrounding PCMA10 - http://www.pcma2010.org
It is only the most recent example and probably one that has, in my mind, made the best case for the impact social media has for events. Want to know where the link to the conference website was? I can't tell you, because I don't know. It didn't turn up in the first 10 pages of a Google search for 'PCMA10' (the official 'Hashtag' for the event), although yes, searching for its full title of PCMA2010 did make it the first hit. But I had to guess, and eventually just punched a random URL in to my GoogleChrome link bar and hope for the best.
I'm nowhere near Dallas, TX, USA, and my event circle and Australian network weren't likely to attend in any great numbers, so all I had to go on where the hundreds of tweets and blog posts about this mysterious 'PCMA10' thing that all the 'Power players' in the global event industry were talking about.
For a while, it was all anyone seemed to be talking about, almost to the point where one might wish that Twitter had a 'snooze' button. In true journalistic nature, people began to write about the fact that it was being so widely covered - by attendees. Who ran the event? What were the specific goals of the organisers? You couldn't tell from anything that was written out there online. All you got, for the most part, was delegate feedback on either session speakers or topics, how well the conference was going, invitations to post-session social events, and the cool new gadgets and ideas that were being floated around by exhibitors and other attendees.
I watched the whole thing unfold with avid fascination, and wondered if there would be an Australian event that could make such an impact on the social media landscape. Suffice to say, quite a few lessons can be learnt by taking the time, if you have it, to Google 'PCMA10' and read just a few articles about both the conference content - and how people shared it with the rest of the world - and the impact real-time delegate feedback had on the event itself.
But I apologise, I'm getting off topic. Back to Jeff Hurt. He is Director of Education and Engagement at Velvet Chainsaw Consulting. While this may not be appropriate, I'd like to link you to his blog, so people can make up their own mind about whether his teachings (or opinions, research, however you'd like to describe it) are useful in helping people understand this particular micespace.net.au topic: Is social media going to revolutionise the business events industry.
Me? I'm jumping feet first on to this bandwagon, am reading Jeff's blog (and many others on similar topics) daily, and hoping that I can find a way to understand and change my attitudes and execution of events in the future, and hopefully keep up with the lightening speed 'revolution'.
http://jeffhurtblog.com/ - topics covered are more than social media and technology for events, but also imparting ideas about the way conferences can evolve and maintain both momentum (increased numbers, increased delegate experience) and relevance.
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22/12/2009 10:33:21 AM
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Here is another interesting recount of a discussion held about back + frontchannel conversations at events (mainly through Twitter, although other mediums could be used. Interestingly, the 'panel discussion' on the topic was conducted over Google Wave, which I think is indicative of the changing nature of collaboration on events, and event topics..)
http://www.ready2spark.com/2009/12/bringing-twitters-back-channel-to-the-front.html
As well as discussing the practical application and virtues of the new avenues recent SM technology allows, they also cover what they perceive as certain personality types who are, and will probably continue to be opposed to such evolutions in presentation styles. I'm sure most here could name a few people that fit in to this category?
There may be a heavy bias in this collaboration, or it may really indicate a change in the times in how SM is not only frequently used at business events, but is now making up the fabric of overall delivery and becoming almost an essential part of its success.
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19/12/2009 8:48:23 AM
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Bravo Batman - I too appreciate SM's posts - in fact the more off the wall a post is the more I enjoy being in the writers space - trying to see the point of view that he/she has taken the time to write - and appreciating a new approach. After all, are we not 'creative' by virtue of our professions so who are we to cast stones on a different/honest point of view? Our clients pay us to be different and to present a new approach so I am astounded that some of us are so unaccepting of this concept. Not to decry anyones opinions, afterall they are like bums, everybodys got one only some are more engaging than others. So Sydney Magician, stick around!
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19/12/2009 7:50:49 AM
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Because people are not very nice to me.
I like to stay as much as possible on topic, but when people start off topic posts about me, especially annon users, then this peeves me, Questions about me should be PM'ed
and warnings should be private, just like in an office- you would never sit someone down in the middle of the room to give someone a verbal warning or a written one and the forum is the same- you shut people down privately
like when I am on stage and I get a heckler, there are ways of shutting themdown without making them feel less than who they are,
But thank you for your comments Batman,
I know and feel that I think a little differently- I can't really control this, as I get older I feel even more separated, and sure.... I give myself a little plug here and there- I am proud of my achievements (and no one else is going to give me a plug (I don't work through the agencies or speaker agengies because I don't want to fork out a grand for bioview) you do know what this is don't you) - Although I will say this which is off topic, because many people here do not understand magicians or what they go through-
My Brother is a charted Accountant (at some lawyer firm in Sydney) he is still paying off his Hex debt (and also his wedding) I was going through my tax with him, and we found that over the years- I have spent more money learning magic, then he spent becoming a charted accountant, the core difference is I don't have any debt. I say this because I feel people tend to look down on magicians, sometimes I get compared to circus folk and street theatre which is an insult, especially when entertainer agencies have the magician in the same category as Stilt walker or Cartoonist, people think that you learn a few simple card tricks and thats it, and I don't have a certificate of magic, I have experience, so for those people who feel that they need to give me a snappy comment like I am bitchy or that I should have more gigs so I don't have to post so much on this forum, open up your mind, you make people feel less than who they are, and chances are this is because in your mind- putting people down makes you look cool- guess what? it doesn't.
anyway lets get back on topic, and thanks again batman
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18/12/2009 11:24:27 PM
Batman
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Dear Magician. I find your posts contain valuable information and ask why are you intent on leaving this site? Sure you waffle a few times, get off the topic but at least you contribute. I for one enjoy your posts. Regards
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